more than a million deaths.

I have seen various estimates, from about half million to more than a million.

the British had originally given it [Kashmir]to Pakistan.

No. According to the partition plan, the princely states were to decide to join either India or Pakistan. The Raja signed a status quo agreement with Pakistan. I think it was partly because most of the state’s land connections were with Pakistan (except for the Pathankot route from Gurdaspur district).

Other Muslim states were also given over to India or annexed by force later on.

There were two other princely states which became an issue. Junagarh was ruled by a Muslim raja but was majority Hindu. Since it was a coastal state, the raja decided to accede to Pakistan. India took it over in 1948 I think. Pakistani maps used to show it as part of Pakistan until at least the early 1980s.

Hyderabad was the other state with a Muslim Nawab but a minority Muslim population. The Nawab decided to stay independent for a while. India invaded in 1948 or 1949.

In both cases, I think the population would probably have gone for India.

It is the rabbit. And it will remain so until the people of these countries grow mature enough to see and know that it is the rabbit.

It’s been so long for this problem to get solved, and it still isn’t solved.

dis is a very kewl site n i love it !

not really specific information. it will be fine if you people come out with some really established facts and figures
thanks

As a student and as a patriot, of not just Pakistan but of the Muslim race, I’d like to point out how apathetic not only our politicians but we as humans have become.

President Bush rampages over two nations on the constitutional basis of pre-emptive strike without solid proof of either bin Laden linked to the 9/11 attacks nor of WMDs in Iraq. The world thus supports him.

Why?

Million reasons linked to the one and only concept of UNIPOLARISM. But on the very humanitarian grounds.. on the grounds that make us mortals and make us PEACEFUL social animals … there is no one who could resolve this issue for over fifty years.

Maybe if told Bush that he could have an oil line fitted there too he’d think about this more seriously…………………….

kashmir issue lies at the heart of both the pakistan and the india. We dont know what we want or what india wants but we know what kashmir people want, they want FREEDOM which indeed is the right of every living creature bestowed by GOD.

Muslim race? No such thing its just a religion……….. Kashmir since ancient times was an integral part of india and vedic history. Religions rise and fall as nations do……….. If each sect want its own nation based because of religion the world countries would be divided to the point of nonexistance………………………..
Pakistan is lacks structural integrity the only thing that the government can use to unit country is the Kasmir issue as said by many western analysts……….

I think this issuse will be sloved very soon.
AS for as i am consern indian govt.do not want to resolve it. I think kashmiry will decide where they want live in pakistan or india.

by now everybody knows that neither india nor pakistan want to solve the kashmir issue. they just want to keep fulfilling their political and economic interests.

On top of that, Kashmir’s Raja signed his state over to India. It was a majority muslim state and the British had originally given it to Pakistan.

False He wanted to be independant it was the pakistanis who tried to annex it by sending in troops forcing the Raja to ask for Indian help and eventually join India

The Kashmiri’s and Pakistan was expecting it to be part of Pakistan, and it was a last minute suprise that the Raja handed it over to Nehru

How can you be so sure about the kashmiris, they might have wanted to stay with India or wanted Independance, any way Kashmiris and others Muslim states wanting to stay with a pakistan dominated by Punjabis is doubtfull Look what happened in East Pakistan and what is happening in Balochistan

If they can’t stop people slipping through, neither can the Pakistani’s. A few die hards will slip through, but I doubt there is anyway they can be stopped.

Atleast you can stop terror training camps and stop sheltering Notorous terrorists like Moulana Azar and Dawood Ibrahim

Suprisingly, the current cease-fire has been going strong so far, and there are chances it might even be made permenant. Musharraf’s shenanigans in the past month have paid off, and it puts him in a strong position. for now. The upcoming Saarc summit is going to be very interesting.

God and ISI willing it will continue, (cant help thinking about Kargil treachery). Saarc sumit has been put off now hopefully it resumes soon

i am an INDIAN..
and don’t think i am biased towards INDIA.
the reality is JINNAH was thinking that the MAHARAJ of KASHMIR is going to acceed KASHMIR to PAKISTAN.
and MOUNTBATTEN too wants it to go to PAK .
but the MAHARAJ wants to be independent.
later when JINNAH came to know that the MAHARAJ is not going to acceed it to PAK , he thought INDIA might invade KASHMIR
and so he brought in those BARBARIC TRIBAL FORCES.
the MAHARAJ had no option other than ACCEEDING KASHMIR to INDIA.
when MOUNTBATTEN and NEHRU came to know this , NEHRU sent his ARMY.
and as we know 1/3 is syill in the hands of PAKISTAN and 2/3 with INDIA.
so…guys WHO’S FAULT IS THIS ?
INDIA’s or PAKISTAN’s or RADCLIFF’s ???

Well,

Kashmir is a PART of India … Everyone knows … the Pakistan’s Official Website Says it .. Whats the Problem then?

as we all indians know and accept that kashmir is a part of india but the problem is ,whether it is india or pakistan ,every body is interfering in others matter .None of them thinks about the people living there,they just bother about their seats…and the ultimate sufferers are the kashmiris…

and one more important thing in my opinion is that kashmir issue is not an issue…but the real issue is about politicians who according to our constitution are for the welfare of the people,but in reality as THEY ARE BLANKMINDED PERSONS WHO ARE JUST DESTROYING THE SYSTEM AND THAT TOO…LIVING IN THE SYSTEM….

kashmir dispute has gone on far too long, Indian and Pakistan Governments only have political interests in the state today and that is very clear. Kashmir today is now home to trained militants who are financed by the Pakistani Government. Its geographical ties are strong and has grown dramtically over recent years. But for how long?? If the political interest of strong religious gropus all of a sudden stop, the Pakistanis have nothing to fight for. Indian government on the other have nothing apart from the fact that Kashmir belongs to them or is part of India.

Both governments are looking at their own interests and not in terms of the people. Look at the British govenment and Northern Ireland peace process. Its similar to Kashmir BUT the British get up and do something about the problem…Fact is Kashmir dispute will continue to grow stronger and unpredicatble as the day goes by. India and Pakistan today are only looking for excuses to keep competition among themselves going, if thats finished they have nothing. Kashmir is a pure excuse for both sides to fight amongst ourselves and ruin future relationships with Muslim and Hindus

Kashmir belongs to a Muslim country. The only nearby one is Pakistan. If the Pakistanis failed to acquire it , it is due to their lack of discipline in a time of crisis. The only excuse we kept hearing for 57 years was that India is 6 times bigger than Pakistan. Pakistan could have made a temporary peace in 1948, consolidated it´s power to rise to a petty super power level ( Like Israel) and then launch a surprise attack on India, well before the introduction of nuclear weapons in the Sub-Contintnt. We could have also used this opportunity to ceremoniously flush our UNO membership down the toilet and cement a China -Pakistan Defence pact. India could have been tamed and the UNO could have gotten what it deserved : KISS !

As a Bangladeshi, I think that the Line of Control (LOC) should become the permanent border. Both India and Pakistan are using the Kashmir conflict for their own benefit. India to further it’s geopolitical supremacy in the subcontinent and Pakistan to further it’s supposed Islamic status. Given 1971 and the Liberation War we Bangalis fought, I think that Pakistani arguments that Kashmir ‘belongs’ to them because it is majority Muslim is a no go.

I am a Proud Hindustani and always searching backpages of real history. I have to use word real because most of the pages of our history are moulded by our politicians.

Kasmir…….The hot issue between Hindustan & Pakistan.

Most of the comments says that Kasmiri’s wants freedom. OK.. if they want freedom then why Pakistan is taking interest in their freedom activity? and If Kashmir is belongs to Pakistan then why Mr. Jinnah accepted Pakistan without Kashmir?

Both countries needs to develop and we are wasting our money,manpower and useful brain over such issue. We are not under developed country neither we are trying to become. I think both countries should motivate their youth power to be in race of Globalisation.

brilliant survey.

i think instead of argueing over how this problem should be solved we should rather cocentrate on solving it .though it might sound too simle id suggest two solutions ,if we think bout the two countries than solution wud b to make the l.o.c as a international border and if we think keeping in mind the kashmiri people than solution wud b to make a united kashmir into a confideration.A confideration is where all power s lie in hand of that state except defence and external affairs .atleast we (India and Pakistan)will b able to stop ourselfs from being exploited by these so called big guns…..u.s and party.<due to our internal conflicts.

The Kashmir issue is related to the two-nation theory:

1) Pakistan claims that Kashmir should belong to it on the ground that the majority in Kashmir are Muslim. India rejects that argument because India does not believe that Hindus and Muslims are separate nations (There are more Muslims in India than in Pakistan). If India accepts that Kashmir must go to Pakistan because of its Muslim population alone, then 15% of its population (Muslims) would be left in the lurch because giving away Kashmir would mean acceptance of the two-nation theory.

The existence of India as a nation is based on a secular, non-religious identity. For preservation of that identity, Kashmir must remain with India.

The failure of the two-nation theory was aptly demonstrated by the breaking up of east Pakistan. It showed that religion alone cannot unite a country and religion alone cannot be the basis for nationhood.

Kashmis is a part of Inida since ancient times, so you should better correct your history
knowledge, before writing such a vitriolic detail. Do not forget the result of 1948, 1965 and 1971 war with us. A nation, which can not even respire without the help of other countries, can only involve in the back stabbing.
Kashmir is ours and will be ours for ever.

kashmir issue is a bone of contention between pakistan and india form the day when subcontinent was partioned ..and since form independence two war have been fought between the two surper powers india and pakistna i.e 1965 and 1971 and a third one is
also expected for which we pary will never come..

Fazal Rahman buneri .
Student of political science
University of Peshawar

Kashmir Issue
kashmir issue bone of contention between pakistan and india and two wars have been fought between pakistan and india and my comments is that ..that kashir neither join pakistan nor india but to become an independence state like other countrie of the world.

i like india

i like india
and don’t like abdur rafiq he is selfish

I am an Indian and very proud to be one. My opinion on the solution to the Kashmir ordeal.

1 - Plebiscite (Pakistan wants that), cause India is a free nation and it would be absurd to ask the citizens of a free country to vote whether they want to continue or not. Yes what can be done is, there can be a peaceful migration of the people (who wants to be with Pakistan) to leave in a very coherent way. This would be applicable for people on both sides of the LOC, irrespective of caste, creed and religion. Atleast this time the migration could be peaceful with a trauma still lurking in our minds.

2 - Changes in borders - Not impossible. Needeless to say, the LOC has to be seen as the international boundary.

3 - Autonomy - If #1 or #2 is observed, this is not required. Else, yeah to some extent. Not to the extent that they could have different passports and or currency. They would be within the Indian Union.

4 - A non-nuclear war to settle the long dispute, for once and for all.

those who go on ranting about kshmir being part of pakistan should realise that pakistan and even afghanistan were part of indian once, so should we start laying claim over ur “dear” pakistand and afghanistan?.u folks are hilarious.

oh and by the way, kashmir being part of pakistan is just a wet dream, and nothing more.u do realise that the economic, military and technological gap between indian and pakiatan is wideneing by the minute expenentionaly and u pakistanis have no chance whatsoever of matching us, or even trying to keep the current state of military imbalance(u folks being weaker).10 years from now pakistan would be another afghanistan,if u dont belive it pls read some news

as a pakistani , as a muslim and above all as Allah not only speaks to muslims but to all human race in quran i consider kashmir as a problem for not only kashmiri people but for all living in south-asia.
kashmir problem is problem which all weak nations are facing now “might is right”. India is powerful state so, it keeps on entangling with other states to show them that india is boss.kashmir problem could be solved if india realize that it is very important for india to solve it to be a super power.
kashmiris should be given right not only to choose between india or pakistan but also that if they want to remain independant.
i think if india would have treated kashmiris well during last 5 decades then in plebiscite now kashmiris would love to be with them but if not then it is kashmiris human right to choose their path as people of sub-continent did in 1947.

I agree with the writer that “Tons have already been written about the alienation between India and Pakistan. In a nutshell: The British left in a rush. Partition led to a mass migration (about 10 million people) and more than a million deaths. You can imagine the amount of bad blood that left”.
Up to here it’s ok but you also have said:-
“On top of that, Kashmir’s Raja signed his state over to India. It was a majority Muslim state and the British had originally given it to Pakistan. The Kashmiri’s and Pakistan was expecting it to be part of Pakistan, and it was a last minute surprise that the Raja handed it over to Nehru”.
I think the writer is completely ignorant about the real fact, I feel he had put down a total Muslim biased view on the issue, secondly I would like to ask how come you say British had originally given it to Pakistan! Who is the British to Give? The Indian Sub-continent wasn’t ever the property of the British. Thus the British had no rights to assign any part to Pakistan.
3rd The Jammu & Kashmir was never Muslim majority state, I would request the author to read the actual fact of then ( Pre August 1947) Jammu & Kashmir.
“Jammu and Kashmir has three distinct components - Hindu majority Jammu, Buddhist dominated Ladakh in the North and predominantly Muslim populated Valley. And Jammu had the most population in the state, where as the north part where there was Muslim population was very nominal”.
Mohammed Ali Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, tried hard to woo the Sheikh and indeed visited Srinagar on a couple of occasions only to be rebuffed by the National Conference. Jinnah’s known arrogance did not help him either. He dismissed his best bet in the Valley, Maulvi Mirwaiz Yusuf Shah, as a “rotten egg”, as Sheikh Abdullah recalls in his autobiography “Aatish-e-Chinar”. The Sheikh again recalls the supreme contempt which Jinnah had for the Kashmiri people. According to Sheikh Abdullah, when a National Conference activist, Ali Mohammad Tariq, asked Jinnah soon after the partition of the sub-continent whether the future of Kashmir would be decided by the people of Kashmir, he was stunned by Jinnah’s riposte: “Let the people go to hell.” The people of the so-called Azad Kashmir have known ever since how much their Pakistani benefactors have cared for them”.
The founder of Pakistan Mohammed Ali Jinnah himself uttered about the Kashmiri people “Let the people go to hell”. But it’s really very hard to understand why the later Leaders are so bothered about J&K. So my dear friend come out of the Muslim bias-ness and put down things with open heart.
Here off I would request all my Muslims brothers and sisters keep your Muslim feelings with in your heart, its your religion, it’s a Holy Idea, its not meant for politics, so stop doing Politics in the name of Islam.
And give some peace to the people of J&K.

There is no doubt that kashmir issue is just being used as a pawn by the political parties of both India and Pakistan.Both the governments have failed miserably to provide a solution.The real issue is not whether Kashmir belongs to India or Pakistan.It is the issue of heinous crimes committed in name of Kashmir.There has been already a lot of bloodshed over this issue.People on both the sides are being killed ,-innocent people are being killed ruthlessly.Why should these people be punished.It is very easy for anybody not living in Kashmir to write whatever they feel.What goes through the lives of people living in kashmir is best known only by them.It is high time that we (meaning the people of both Pakistan and India,not the governments)understand the real issue and tackle it sensibly.

it actually makes no sense people discussing this.as long as the pakistani military and isi stand by the terrorists so called jehadis there is no solution.isi will make sure there is no solution.as is clear from history whenever summits were held by india to talk it out the terror would increase with shellings on the border by pakistani army.why??
these terrorists are now carrying high tech weapons and are well trained.is it possible for a comman man to get this knowledge possesed by army?
india cannt be blamed for going slow.it has no other choice.’cause it has learned from the past that pakistani regimes cannt be trusted.a nation where military has ruled more than the normal democratic system.the army people know they have no value without power and kashmir issue.
is there a real solution.no? its a good idea that pok be given to pak and the remaining portion be with india.but why it should be done?that part belongs to kashmir,india and should be returned.
indira gandhi could have sorted it out at once when she released pow of 1972 in good thought without taking the territory back.else imagine what would have happened?

Brussels Declaration of IKA International Conference on Kashmir National Reconciliation held on 13/14 September 2005.

We, leaders, political activists, journalists and members of Indian, Pakistani and Kashmiri civil society:

1. Reaffirm our commitment to continue our struggle for a peaceful resolution of the Kashmir dispute;

2. Strongly believe that there is no military solution to the Kashmir dispute, and continuation of violence will only result in loss of more innocent lives, suffering and destruction;

3.Unanimously declare that the State of Jammu and Kashmir is one political entity, and its division in any form or shape will not be acceptable;

4. While supporting the peace process strongly emphasise that no single Kashmiri political party or alliance has representative character to speak on behalf of the people of Jammu and Kashmir, hence the peace process must be all inclusive and broad based that all regional and ethnic leadership is represented at the negotiating table;

5.Emphasise that violence from all sides must stop; and urge
Government of India and Pakistan to create conducive environment that the peace process could get support of all sections of Jammu and Kashmir;

6. Request authorities to make serious efforts for rehabilitation of those who have been evicted from their homes and properties, and compensation for families that have suffered at the hands of either the militants or the respective government forces; put appropriate safeguards in
place that those who were uprooted from their homes because of trouble in Jammu and Kashmir, could return to their homes with dignity;

7.Request Government of Pakistan to respect and honour civil and political rights of people of Gilgit and Baltistan; and until the final settlement of the Kashmir dispute, establish a democratically elected Legislative Assembly in Gilgit and Baltistan that elected members could help local people with everyday social, political and economic problems;

8.Request further from Government of Pakistan to respect State
Subject Notification of April 1927, and stop settlement of Pakistani Nationals in Gilgit and Baltistan; and also to stop upraising of illegal Mangla Dam to prevent uprooting of more than hundred thousand Kashmiris;

9. Emphasise to Government of India and Government of Pakistan to take more Kashmir specific confidence building measures, and open all traditional routes that people of Jammu and Kashmir can interact, socialize and trade with each other;

10.Takes note of efforts afoot to disturb territorial integrity of the State of Jammu and Kashmir. In this regard the reports indicate that Government of Pakistan is planning to annex areas of Gilgit and Baltistan, which is in clear breach of its obligations under United Nations Commission
for India and Pakistan;

11. Wishes to seek clarification from Organisation of Islamic Conference whether it is supporting Rights Movement of the Kashmiri people or supporting Pakistan’s claim on Kashmir. If the support is for the right of self-determination of the Kashmiri people, then the platform of the OIC should not only entertain one political group or party projected and patronized by Pakistan,

12. Call upon all the Kashmiri leaders on both sides of the divide to forget bitterness and hatred of the past, and agree on a common minimum programme for peace, stability and prosperity of Jammu and Kashmir and South Asia. This august Conference further:
13. Urges both India and Pakistan governments to stop propaganda, which creates hatred and mistrust;
14. Appreciates the cease-fire along the LOC, and urges to evolve a mechanism for an internal cease-fire in Jammu and Kashmir;

15. Strongly emphasise to open all traditional routes for hassle free travel for all citizens of Jammu and Kashmir that they can interact, socialise and trade with each other. This house further requests that there should be a daily bus service between both parts of the State;

16. Emphasise that all political prisoners who have no criminal records should be released. Also urge both governments to facilitate early return of all those who crossed the LOC for one reason or the other, after 1990;
17. Urge government of India and Pakistan to facilitate Intra Kashmir Dialogue and to create conducive environment wherein people from all regions and shades of opinion could interact with each other;

18. Demands that the governments of Europe, UK, Canada and America to recognise and include their citizens originating from the State of Jammu and Kashmir in their ethnic monitoring and data collection systems as Kashmiris and not as Indians and Pakistanis;
19. Realises that external interference and flow of funds in to Jammu and Kashmir is not conducive to the on going peace process, and request that all
concerned exercise restrain.

Jamil Maqsood
Brussels

I agree with Prashant. I appreciate Mr. Prez Mussharaf for accepting ceasefire and I think he is trying for peace But hardcode community in Pakistan is a road-block.

u know what actual thing is.. not pakistan nor india is sessible country. but in the real sense India is just bullshit. i am not pakistani nor indian. i am american.. my point of view is that india is just making fun of pakistan because they know that hey cant do anything else. so many points of conflict but the real thing is that both dont want to solve this problems

Assalam-o-alikum. i m student of 2nd year from ICG Islamabad PAKISTAN
The Kashmiri people have a constitutional and legal right to be a part of the dialogue. The people of Kashmir hear about the confidence building measures being taken by India and Pakistan on radio and television.They as a nation feel humiliated. It is a zone of conflict.
Kashmiris on both sides of the Line of Control have chalked out a course of action leading to independence For the last 15 years a number of agencies including leading media organizations like the BBC, AFP, CNN, conducted surveys and they came to the conclusion that more then 85 per cent people want independence.
what we have to do is to think… not about ourselves but for those who r in danger.
… presently earthquake in Pakistan gave us the lesson that WHAT WE ARE
more than 1 lac people died. YYYYY i m not 1 of them… because Allah is taking test of those who survived. & if even now we cant do anything then shame on us (pakistan india kashmir)
TUM KO AYA NAHEE MOSAMAY TABDILEE KA KHAYAL
VARNA HALAT TOE HOTAY HAIN BADALNAY KAY LIAY
IK LAMHA B GHANEMAT HAI SAMBALHNAY KAY LIAY.

I am a pakistani and to be.As some of indian fellow have said Kashmiri wants freedom than why indian govt. kept about 70,0000 trops in kashmir(only to pratice on them).This is very shamful.Is not

HI All,
If Maharaja wanted to be a part of India then it is not India’s fault.And who told you that Kashmiri people wants azadi when they are part of a azad country,India is going to be a superpower like China.In a country where starting from needle to aeroplane is manufactured,the education is of best level(IISc,IIT,IIMs,AIIMS,NLU etc),communalism is not tolerated,freedom of speech and action and practice of religion is encouraged,where three oceans are touching the lands,where vast geographical versatility is observed,where despite of hundreds of languages and food ,culture people love to say we are Indian,where people have got noble prizes almost in all field,film industry is as flourished as Hollywood,where poeple have been to space,where a great deal of agriculture and other resources and abundant,mineral rich hills are plenty,one in every 3 foreign students in US univs are Indian,companies like GE,motorola and many more are rushing to open braches in India where talents are not rare,where we have a great system for transportation,management and distribustion of foods and other things all over the country,where every poor man can afford a bike cause we manufacture them mostly do you think in these case people of Kashmir would really go for another so called muslim country.We are self dependent.If you are talking of history then very Pak was a part of the Great India.Would u like to join,u r welcome.Dont brain wash your ordinary people’s mind with confused informations,try to resolve your domestic problems. Blasts,fights over siah-sunni issue,safe home for International Dons,once known for pure Islamic philosophies by Prophet Mohammad( peace be upon him) in the madrasas have now become the training schools for terrorism,poverty,unemployement and abundant drugs from Afganisthan,lack of educations have nothing to offer their very own citizen except for a dark future.Before you worry worthlessly for other countries Muslim brothers look at yourself,your situation is like this we cant pity or cant be angry too.Learn from developing countries how they have improved by not interfering other’s matters.Improve your thinking ,improve your lives.Live and let live please.

in my point of view it should be solved now , by wich way?then it is so easy to draw the both countries near then also come up the kashmiris hopes.

i hope u r fine sir i want to complete information on kashmir issue.as soon as posible plz sir contect with me on my email adderss.as sonn as possible.ok bye

India belive to go on with peace full process to resolve the kashmir issue and hence it is pending, We aurg to pakistan that kindely leave our kashmir before we develop our economy and become one of the developed countries, becouse once we get free hand from this econimic boom (in which we are busy write now). our very first target will be ” to solve kashmir with pak. in this case pakistan hav to leave kashmir voluntrily or involuntrily. peace fully or at the gunpoint.
this is our guttsy, we are still stick with the peacefull process, otherwise the way you had attacked on kargill. we are lible to flush you out from the third heaven.

i dont know why Kashmir issue is always a inhealble wound for both of counteies India and pakistan. Both countries have their own problems poverty , illetracy, Unemployment and many others. These countries spending lot of money on Defence which obstruct their development.Do you know the cost of one submarine is equal to the money to run a university for one year. india and pakistan have potential but because the hartred , extrimism, war . They are losing lots of opportunity which would be beneficial for their society. look at germany and france once they were enemy but now they are working together.Can we expect this type of maturity from both side.And regarding to Kashmir issue if pakistan will stop giving training to guirilla and militants and if india will stop deploying huge military , Kashmiri people would be more peaceful .Militants and army is the main problem of kashmir.Go and ask kashmiris

kashmir is a part of pakistan.

why its a problem ?
All problems shall end one day and this one also.
You know which that day is ? if not ask me i’ll tell you

Hi every one

let me tell u who iam, at first place.
Iam not, pakistani nor indian, iam from East africa and like to share ur thoughts about kashamiir issue.

I would to say, that pakistan and india are bros and 50 years back used to be one country which is india.
for many reasons better kashamiir be an Independent state, that is the solution of kashamiir and kashamir peaple whither they are muslim or christains
thz all

salam,
The thing is, Kashmir is an issue which should not continue to be an issue. India is full of bullshit. They try to pin so many blames on the Pakistani side. The fact is, Kashmir should be an independent nation. I am very sure that they would rather be independent than be with India or Pakistan. India just wants to increase its geographical supremacy of the subcontinent. Instead of arguing over which side is right (india or Pakistan) the final solution of the problem should be given to the Kashmiris themselves. OBVIOUSLY!!!! Why should India or Pakistan decide what happens to Kashmir without asking the Kashmiris. India does not wnat this because they know that either Kashmir will got o Pakistan or be an independent state. This si the most moral and ethical descision to make. So why is India bitching about it?! they know either way, they will lose Kashmir, which was never rightfully there. India says that everything was part of India, well less then six decades ago, India was under British rule!!!!! Muslims, hindus, sikhs alike fought courageously together against the British rule. At tha time, we were trying to get our freedom. Today, freedom fighters in Kashmir are regarded as terrorist.
WHY?!!! After all this whole as a whole has been through over the past century, why is Kashmir still being denied its freedom? These terrorists (FREEDOM FIGHTERS) are said to be funded by the Pakistan gov’t. Where is the proof of this. The British were very smart and cunning. They did not leave in a hurry, they knew that conflict will arise between India and Pakistan over Kashmir. This is the main reason that they left this issue virtually untouched. They wer sore about losing their crown jewel of their empire. They left implementing the same strategy they used when they came to India, divide and conquer. They couldn’t car less about Muslims or HIndus or sikhs. They just wanted conflict so it can easier for them to operate. it is very pathetic that theri staretgy is still working today. Every south asain feels pride for fighting the british for freedom. Freedom was and is so precious to us. SO, why is Kashmir left without freedom?Why are the freedom fighters called terrorists? This goes gainst the belief which is the foundation of the south asian countries at independence. India accuses Pakistan of miliatry oppression? What about the most of the f—-ing Indian Army in Kashmir martyring Kashmiri youth virtually on a daily basis. If India sees Kashmir as an undisputed state of India, then why does it have most of its army there to surpress any Kashmiris from speaking up. If the final say was given to Kashmiris, India knows that it will not be happy with the outcome. They know they WILL LOSE KASHMIR. But it time for India to stop being a bicth about the situation. Just shut up politicians form both sides and igive the descision to Kashmiris and you have an end to an old problem. But the road block is India. Why doesnt the UN intervene? If they can annex palestine and create Isreal then why cant they just help solve the problem. It this issue going back to religion? No help for Kashmir of the muslim majority, I think so, and even though India houses the second largest muslim population, the head of India and control of India is still under anti-muslim control.How many muslim prime misister has India had? President Abdul Kalam is just a figure head in Indian politics made to show that India is a “secular” state.Bullshit. As much as they can progress, they will never truly progress until they purify and open their minds. Stop being Bitches and do what is morally and Ethically right. The only solution to the Kashmiri issue should be in Kashmiri hands. TOO BAD INDIA. DONT BE SORE LOSERS ABOUT IT. ITS TIME TO DO WHATS RIGHT.

hey ahsan….
u pakis need to get ur facts right…even before india was under british rule…u were PART OF INDIA…living happily with hindus and christians and parsis…and many other religions…ur leader JINNAH got too power happy…broke away from the party that made the indian subcontinent win freedom(the indian national congress)…claimed that muslims wont get rights in independent india…(we have more muslims in india than in pakistan…and ALL INDIANS HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS…we dont look at religion when making friends or talking to people…we look at the fact that we are all humans) Jinnah made that his main issue…this led to communal disharmony…slowed down the entire process of independence….he messed up the subcontinent….and then….”fearing” that india will invade Kashmir he sent in tribal forces…and forced kashmir to cede itself to india….kashmir cant be independent…they get all their resources from india…they are not self sufficient as a state…electricity, food, protection, rights all are provided by india…ur government cant manage the country they already have…and u want to take the responsibility of managing a new state…are u insane? Have u seen the difference between india and pakistan…we have a booming economy…stable government ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE, we can support kashmir….CAN U???…dont kid urself…be honest…its alright to accept that u r wrong

I like what sanjita says.
Think about it and Join US.
Our Heart is realy BIG.

We are secular(Not religious). & secular=humanism and humanism=GOD .

In my opinion, there is only one solution to this problem which has made the life of people of the two country miserable — return back to pre- 1947 position (minus the British occupation). Form a confederation wherein India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh becomes an autonoums region just like what is there in Canada. If there is no separate India and Pakistan then there would remain no bone of contention and hence no Kashmir problem. Everybody would win and all would be happy.

Opinions are like assholes…. everyone has one!

Too all the people who just helped me waste my time to get to the bottom of this page, you know you all should take a vacation from YOUR daily life and go to kashmir. Stay there and then come up here and post. Its pretty easy to just sit on a chair in you own home and type the crap over a cup of tea. How the hell do u all know what should be done? I mean, if all of you are so brilliant minded and all, why don’t you stand in the next elections for the president in your own respective countries? I am not a political minded guy or anything, so i wont comment on the ISSUE. But you all seriously need to think once again, that all of you are having a pretty good straight lives, no hardships, you all are living a luxurious life (having a FAN in your home is also counted as a Luxury ). Its easy to ASSUME what MIGHT be the SITUATION in kashmir. My advice, go and live there. (and take a fan along, they are pretty expensive in BLACK there)

Ahsan miya —specialy apke liye
i just want to introduce myself first,I am basically from the land you all are talking about(Kashmir).i know better the vows of my mother land than any other in the world.Kashmir is a INTEGRAL PART OF INDIAN that is for sure & no body in the world can challenge this fact,what actually the scene in kashmir is some unemployed & illetrate people being backed by pakistani shit are making a good money on the name of jihad for themselves.Go and ask even an educated kashmiri muslim which side he wants to go.The answer will always be india coz he knows the benefits of stying with india, be it his annual income,prosperity,his rights,Good education etc etc..
just saying some rough words for some verstile country will not let india sign kashmir to pakistan.Go & get some improments done in your so called pakistan first & later discuss kashmir.Get some money for your people instead of spending on terrorists.solve your internal problems,like sia sunni,Nwfp,etc.I am sure if pak remains foccused to its internal problems Kashmir issue will get settled within weeks.

this is extremely good

Well i dont think so that now kashmir issue can be solved beacuse this is a bitter thruth but we have to believe that both the countries are using kashmir issue to neglect many other big issues because if kashmir issue get solved then there would be an uprising of so many problmes in indian states as well.so better to make it a neutral and independant state, not under control of any one!!!

these pakis think they r too smart.if they want kashmir then we want pak as it was a n integral part of india.we fought the wars we won them n still we arent takin ur country only b coz v r humans.we kno wat human lyf is n how important a human life is.its better u pakis always rememberthat ull r livin on our land.first of all u have a small country n if we keep on punchin ull get still more shoter n shorter.

Hi All,

Let me tell you whole thing, Kashmir is the part of India and will be a part of India.
Pakistan always tries to grab the things like kutch, Bhuj etc.
I don’t know why pakistanin people are always behind kashmir, instead of becoming well to do.

Pakistani never cares about the future, they are only worried about the Fight with Others
like as they are doing with India.
They also concentrate on negative things like fight, Women, sex etc…

SO finally I can say that Kashmir is really a pasrt of India, and pakistan should accept it.

Thanks,
Shahrukh

An Appeal to World Community

According to Article (2) of the United Nations Universal Declaration
of Human Rights,
Every one is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in
this declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race,
colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion based
national or social origin, property, birth, or other status. Further
more, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political,
jurisdictional, or international status of the country or territory
to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust on-self
governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty

This clause is an eternal reminder of the rights and duties borne by
every responsible citizen of any place on Earth. My objective here
is to draw its relevance in our society and polity. Unless the
violation of our fundamental rights committed are brought to the
widespread discern of various international human rights watchdogs,
political and socially enlightened intelligentsia, the Kashmiri
people will not be able to observe the cause of their struggle to
find a voice for themselves in the global playground. Such an
awakening is of utmost connotation to arouse the people of Pakistan
Occupied Kashmir to liberate themselves from the chain of anarchy,
nepotism, slavery and discrimination that has been in practice on
the basis of interim constitution of 1974.
In recent years many Kashmiri nationalists have started a campaign
for their national rights such as installation of Kashmir National
Bank, Anti mangla dam extension activities, and the abolishment of
the disputed clauses of act 1974, which are not only contrary to the
United Nations resolutions on Kashmir but also violate the
fundamental rights and freedom of people of Pakistani Administered
Kashmir. Many international governments have pressurised the
Government of so called Azad Kashmir through Government of Pakistan
to amend such clauses which is a clear vindication of the rights and
political, social and economic aspirations of the people of Kashmir,
striving towards the realisation of an independent Kashmir. Non
violent demonstrations have been unlawfully curtailed and political
activists have been stripped off their rights to express themselves
in a very cruel manner. Such curbs put on the voice of the people
are indicative of the authoritarian and totalitarian approach taken
up by the government of Pakistani Administered Kashmir (PoK),to
silence their national and international critics and eventually
restraint the call for a truly democratic and independent Kashmir.
The then Prime Minister of’ “Azad” Kashmir, Sardar Sikandar Hayat
had made a press statement that the disputed and unpolitical clause
which is as ” No person or political party in Azad Kashmir shall
be allowed to take part in activities prejudicial or detrimental to
the ideology of state’s accession to Pakistan”, would be abolished
soon. But that pledge has not been fulfilled before the forthcoming
general elections of July2006. The nomination papers which were
submitted by the Nationalists (UKPNP) from twenty four
constituencies were rejected as they did not take oath of the
ideology of Kashmir’s accession to Pakistan. A great majority is
struggling for their democratic and constitutional rights in
Pakistani Administered Kashmir since years, but there has been no
significant support for them to get their rights and win back their
freedom.

Taking into account the state of the people of Gilgit and Baltistan
are, who have been living under siege since 59 years, Section 144 is
still implemented there as more than three or four people cannot
walk together. Kidnapping, killings, harassment, solitary
confinement and all malicious tactics are being used against
political workers of that area. Repression of social and political
opinions of the people to the righteous media is the concern that is
at stake to the aspirations of an independent Kashmir.
We earnestly appeal to the world community to pressurize the
Government of Pakistan to stop these violations and allow people of
various schools of thoughts, regardless of their political and
nationalist leanings, to exercise their fundamental right to partake
in the elections without any discrimination.

We hope this appeal would not go unheard.

Jamil Maqsood
General Secretary
United Kashmir peoples National Party

This issue can never be resolved that easily.India has to act like israel,The problem with india is if we have a bomb blast in our country we just sit doing nothing wheras israel will launch attacks against pal instantly .This has to be done every small atack should be taken seriously and india has to show their superiority and power to pakistan .Pakistan is a small country with literaly no education & growth .Long live india lets take things really seriously afet bombay bombings (bombay bombings have made us really serious abt this whole issue and inshallah we will teach them a lesson

I would like people to see things in broader perspective, works like “it is a Muslim state”, “Part of Pakistan” etc are illogical.

It was once a place, which had majority of Kashmiri Pandits, we need to rememeber genocidal of them, the race is in ther verge of extinction.

Why in the world, people kill people each other to spread relegion, the crux of the religion is to love the fellow being and be truthful to self.

Pakistan has not achieved anything in the last fifty years, it has not contributed to the world in scientific, agricultural or even keeping peace in this region.

but it has take a lot from this world, it uses its wealth to acquire things which are invented to be used for good purpose, but used by them for wrong purpose.

It is time for Pakistanis to think…, what they have achived, but india on the other hand with all sorts border issue from all the direction and yet was able to achieve a lot in contributing to the world in science, agriculture and even maitining peace.

How long it will take India to win a war against pakistan (very little time), even if we are imposed with sanctions, we have the ability to withstand econimic problems. but on the other hand pakistan will not survive and will end up in civil war.

the unanswered question
1. What you have given to your people apart from providing roots for extremist organistion?
2. What is the reply to the barbaric genocidal acts againts Kashmiri Pandits?
3. What you have achieved so far (nothing)?

If pakistan does not have the ability to stand against india, it is better to surrender than to spread terrorism and kill people.

India is very clear we can fight only with people in uniform, that is the reason for
almost 60 years battle. we are not weak, but we dont want to do anything other than this.

I believe Pakistan occupied kashmir has to come back to india, to see the economic growth, else it will be the world’s poorest region.

Soon Pakistan could be another Iraq… for god sake, i dont want to see that happen to “my brother…”

Even I don’t want my brother to be Invaded or attacked by west (like what they did in Iraq).

Stop and look forward for growth, I take this oppurtuinty to mourn for those innocent Kashmiri Pandits…

If kashmir is clean from extremist activity, it could soon become a south asian econimical hub and top tourist spot, giving lot of oppurtunity for both india and pakistan to improve thier economy. Look at this broader perspective.

I appeal to people, dont support one who targets and kill innocent. thier curse will spoil the nation.

There is lot of difference in Alexander the Great and Chinggis khan.

Chinggis khan is never called the great, but even if Alexander conquired the world, he is called the great because, He does not attack from behind and maintains war discipline.

To all those innocent whereever died becuase of extremism, let thier sole rest in peace.

I am quite surprised that this site has young people from both countries discussing the problem in more or less congenial way. Our elders would have cursed eachother. I feel being attached to religion has invited more problems than ever before. This is due to false propaganda. Elder generation who have meticulously sown seeds of hatred into hearts of innocent children needs to die out. We will live happily, all of us. The illiterate lot has to DIE. Both countries should pass death sentence for religious leaders the moment they issue any political statement or for any Politician issuing a religious statement. Believe me ….all problems will be solved. New generation is cool .. much wiser than the old one. Ask anyone …. everyone wants good life for himself and his family and friends… that is it. Making some xyz person from India or Pakistan believe that Kashmir is their sole aim is like what America does best - Marketing - selling ice to Eskimo. Don’t get carried away by people whose earnings and wealth depend solely on the fact that how much will you will get involved in this chakkar and fund them. Brothers and Sisters concentrate on your life and life of the near and dear ones .. earn respect and love from all people. There are various levels by which you can determine the mental - spiritual - social level of a person. What do ou say about a person who claims to be from a particular Mohalla when asked about his identity, or a person who says I belong to this caste, or I belong to this religion, this country, this race ? Truely great people had their identities above all these. They considered those definitions as the ones for the illiterate who need help in defining their identity. Let us become and think on world level and not like a frog in the well who believes that the world is cylindrical (and you cannot blame it….. it was told that always …all is life and he never dared to move out).

I am quite surprised that this site has young people from both countries discussing the problem in more or less congenial way. Our elders would have cursed eachother. I feel being attached to religion has invited more problems than ever before. This is due to false propaganda. Elder generation who have meticulously sown seeds of hatred into hearts of innocent children needs to die out. We will live happily, all of us. The illiterate lot has to DIE. Both countries should pass death sentence for religious leaders the moment they issue any political statement or for any Politician issuing a religious statement. Believe me ….all problems will be solved. New generation is cool .. much wiser than the old one. Ask anyone …. everyone wants good life for himself and his family and friends… that is it. Making some xyz person from India or Pakistan believe that Kashmir is their sole aim is like what America does best - Marketing - selling ice to Eskimo. Don’t get carried away by people whose earnings and wealth depend solely on the fact that how much will you will get involved in this chakkar and fund them. Brothers and Sisters concentrate on your life and life of the near and dear ones .. earn respect and love from all people. There are various levels by which you can determine the mental - spiritual - social level of a person. What do ou say about a person who claims to be from a particular Mohalla when asked about his identity, or a person who says I belong to this caste, or I belong to this religion, this country, this race ? Truely great people had their identities above all these. They considered those definitions as the ones for the illiterate who need help in defining their identity. Let us become and think on world level and not like a frog in the well who believes that the world is cylindrical (and you cannot blame it….. it was told that always …all is life and he never dared to move out).

Pakistan: ‘Free Kashmir’ Far From Free
Government Opponents Face Torture, Censorship and Political Repression

(Islamabad, September 21, 2006) - In Azad Kashmir, a region largely
closed to international scrutiny until a devastating earthquake hit
last year, the Pakistani government represses democratic freedoms, muzzles the
press and practices routine torture, Human Rights Watch said in a
report released today.

Based on research in Azad Kashmir (which means “free Kashmir”) and
Pakistan, the 71-page report, “‘With Friends Like These …’: Human
Rights Violations in Azad Kashmir,” uncovers abuses by the Pakistani
military, intelligence services and militant organizations.

“Although ‘azad’ means ‘free,’ the residents of Azad Kashmir are
anything but,” said Brad Adams, Asia director at Human Rights Watch.
“The Pakistani authorities govern Azad Kashmir with strict controls on
basic freedoms.”

Before a massive earthquake struck in October, Azad Kashmir was one of
the most closed territories in the world. Tight controls on freedom of
____expression have been a hallmark of government policy in Azad Kashmir.
Pakistan has prevented the creation of independent media in the
territory through bureaucratic restrictions and coercion. Publications and
literature favoring independence is banned. While militant organizations promoting
the incorporation of Indian-administered Jammu and Kashmir state into
Pakistan have had free rein to propagate their views, groups promoting
an independent Kashmir find their speech sharply, sometimes violently
curtailed.Under Azad Kashmir’s constitution, which Pakistan imposed in 1974,
election candidates are prescreened to ensure that only those who
support Kashmir’s union with Pakistan can contest elections. Anyone who wants
to take part in public life in Azad Kashmir has to sign a pledge of
loyalty to Pakistan, while anyone who publicly supports or peacefully works for
an independent Kashmir faces persecution.

“There is a façade of an elected local government, but the federal
government in Islamabad, the army and the intelligence agencies control
all aspects of political life in Azad Kashmir,” said Adams. “The
military shows no tolerance for dissent and practically runs the region as a
fiefdom.”Torture is routinely used in Pakistan, and this practice is also
routine in

Azad Kashmir. Human Rights Watch has documented incidents of torture
by the intelligence services and others acting at the army’s behest but
knows of no cases in which members of military and paramilitary
security and intelligence agencies have been prosecuted or even disciplined for
acts of torture or mistreatment.Despite the Pakistani government’s criticism of human rights violations
in neighbouring Jammu and Kashmir state in India, refugees from Jammu
and Kashmir are discriminated against and mistreated by the
authorities. Kashmiri refugees and former militants from India, most of whom are
secular nationalists and culturally and linguistically distinct from
the peoples of Azad Kashmir, are particularly harassed through constant
surveillance, curbs on political ____expression, arbitrary arrest and beatings.”The Pakistani government often pretends that the only problems faced by Kashmiris are in India,” said Adams. “It should start looking into ways of ending human rights abuses in Azad Kashmir.”Human Rights Watch urged international donors, which have poured
billions of dollars of urgently needed relief and reconstruction aid
into Azad Kashmir since the earthquake, to insist on structural changes in
governance and the promotion of both human rights and the rule of law. Recent corruption allegations against senior government officials highlight serious weaknesses in the rule of law and governmental accountability.

“As it supports reconstruction efforts, the international community
must insist that Pakistan respect the human rights of the people of Azad
Kashmir,” said Adams. “The Pakistani government must ensure that the
people of Azad Kashmir can exercise their fundamental civil and
political rights in an environment free of coercion and fear.”

Testimonies from the report:

“About six or seven soldiers led by a major ran the proceedings, which
lasted for about five days. The soldiers kept changing and ‘worked’ us
in shifts. They started by making us do push-ups and sit-ups for hours,
then beat us with rods and belts when we collapsed in exhaustion. They kept
saying that we must admit that we had become ‘double agents,’ that we
had crossed over to the Indian side because we were ‘Hindu lovers,’
that we were ‘shameless bastards who wanted to be raped by the rapists of
our sisters and mothers.’ Initially, I and the others argued, told them
they were wrong and what they were doing was wrong. But when you are beaten and
bloodied, barely conscious, nothing really matters beyond a point. They
decided to make a particular example of Sameer [name changed] who was
the most vocal of us. In front of us, he was stripped naked and
chillies were shoved up his rectum. He screamed and screamed and the more he
screamed the more they beat him with batons and belts, kicked him,
punched him. They would beat him unconscious, bring him back and then
beat him unconscious again. He did not die in front of us. But it has

been eight years and we never saw him again after those five days together
so I think he is dead. He has to be. After what they did to him, it would be
better for him too.” Interview with “Shahid,” a former militant, Azad Kashmir

“On April 7, we went on a hunger strike …Why have we been locked up
for hailing and supporting the bus [service between Srinagar and
Muzaffarabad]? On April 10, at about 6 a.m., we were given breakfast.
We refused. The jail authorities started beating us with sticks and
metal rods. About 14 or 15 people were beating each person. All other
criminal prisoners and the police present were included. The jail
superintendent, Raja Aftab, was standing at the sentry post directing the prisoners to
beat us. We were beaten badly. (It was pre-arranged between the other
prisoners and the police.) One person had an eye torn out. One had
several head injuries. Another had his hand broken. Everyone was bruised. We
were beaten for about two-and-a-half hours. This happened in all three
cells between 6 a.m. to 8:30 a.m. Then the jailer came and said, ‘If
you don’t eat, we will shove the food up your ass.’ We agreed to eat under
duress, as those who refused to eat were beaten very severely. Mohammad
Ayub Butt refused to eat, so they cracked his spine. Why did the Azad
Kashmir government arrest us and beat us up? We were only supporting
the stated policy of the Pakistani government. Is that not allowed? Or
does Musharraf sitting in Islamabad not know what goes on in
Muzaffarabad?”

You can see the ugly face of Pkaistani establishment in Pakistani Occupied Kashmir.

With all due respect, I’ve never heard such a pile of absolute rubbish being spouted anywhere ever before. India is moving slowly? Pakistan is trying to be peaceful? Wake up will you?! And those who want the people of these countries to mature and wake up; do you have any idea what we people have to go through everyday? It is extremely easy to sit thousands of miles away and leave a comment on the net saying that we need to grow up; fact is that you have no idea, how many extremist intruders we in the army have to face everyday coming in from Pakistan - our apparently peaceful neighbour. Where do you go off thinking they are a handful? Have you seen them in the mountains? Have you witnessed them squatting at strategic positions so that it becomes almost impossible to weed them out like the cowards they are? And a message for those ranting on about human rights - do YOU know how many of our soldiers die everyday protecting our country from these spineless government trained radicals? For your information, the guns they carry, the ammunition supplies that magically appear in their possession are all Pakistan government issue, and this peace that you say Musharraf is trying to work towards - well it becomes a bit difficult to believe when I’m push one of their thugs to the wall by the hair and he, like his predecessors admits that he was trained by the ISI. You think that after knowing the fact that your ‘Democratically Elected’ (Don’t make me laugh) President is sending over his own trained goons to try and destabilise our country, that we should just sit back and let him have his way with us? Not on my watch. As long as there is a breath in my body, I will fight to keep those thieves from stealing our motherland from us. I am an Indian and darn proud of it. Jai Hind

I think India should capture the remaining one third kashmir as well. Pakistan doesnt deserve anything.

Right of Self Determination and Self Rule.

All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development. ..” article 11 of the International Covonent on civil and political rights1966
The Covenant on Civil and Political Rights begins by stating that all peoples have the right to self-determination. It recognizes that everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person. It prohibits torture, cruel or degrading treatment or punishment, and the arbitrary deprivation of life. Anyone arrested is to be informed of the reason for the arrest, and anyone arrested or detained on a criminal charge is to be brought promptly before a judge or other legally authorized person.
The Covenant also provides, among other things, for freedom of movement, and places limitations upon the expulsion of aliens present lawfully in the territory of a State Party. In addition, the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion and freedom of expression are recognized by the Covenant, which also prohibits any propaganda for war or any advocacy of national, racial and religious hatred.

Dear Audiance: Yet there is lot to say about the Right of self Determination and its applications on varius parts of the world. I would like to throw the light of the plight of kashmiri people whose right of self determination was forcibly snatched by its neighbouring state “pakistan’” Without going in to the details of its long histotorical perspective I would like to tell this august session that at the time of Partition in 1947 and according to the act of Partition the heads of princly states were executed to have the right to decide about their future either joinging by India, Pakistan or to remain Independent despite the official stad of then political forces All India Congree and All India Muslim League.

Role of India in this regard was seen very poor as they have failed to protect life, liberty,property and dignity of Kashmiri people.And I would like to say that property doesn,t mean the house of any individual it was geography of the state. India was failed to protect the geography of State of Jammu Kashmir. The current resentment is directly result of India accords with pakistan on the question of natural resources of the state. Without taking kashmiri people into confidence Kashmiri people have serious grevencies towards Indian state.

On the other hand People of so called Azad kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan have faced worse crises of their history. About 3million people of so called Azad Kashmir ( pakistani Occupied Kahsmir infact) and 2million people of Occupied Gilgit-Baltistan are at the mercy of cruel,rouge,injustice,undemocratic, rule of secret agences and military junta.According to Human rights commission of Pakistan report2004 and Human Rights watch report2006 it revealed that Pakistani authorities are ruthlessly ruling over these areas and Azad Kashmir (Free Kashmir is far from Freedom). Brad adams of HRW wrote in his reportage named” With Friends like these”
“Before a massive earthquake struck in October, Azad Kashmir was one of
the most closed territories in the world. Tight controls on freedom of expression have been a hallmark of government policy in Azad Kashmir. Pakistan has prevented the creation of independent media in the territory through bureaucratic restrictions and coercion. Publications and literature favoring independence is banned. While militant organizations promoting the incorporation of Indian-administered Jammu and Kashmir state into Pakistan have had free rein to propagate their views, groups promoting
an independent Kashmir find their speech sharply, sometimes violently curtailed.Under Azad Kashmir’s constitution, which Pakistan imposed in 1974, election candidates are prescreened to ensure that only those who support Kashmir’s union with Pakistan can contest elections. Anyone who wants to take part in public life in Azad Kashmir has to sign a pledge of
loyalty to Pakistan, while anyone who publicly supports or peacefully works for an independent Kashmir faces persecution.Moreover, the administering authorities of dependant teritories are enjoined to ensure political advancement and the development of self Government of those occupied territories.
Pakistan is ruling so called Azad kahsmir by deputing its lent officers to control and subdue whole Government machinery the most powerful officers are 1- Chief Secretary 2- Secretary Finance 3-Director General of Health 4- Inspector General of Police ( IGP) and the major power house is General Officer Commanding ( GOc) Murre and Commandaer of 10care at Rawalpindi. pakistan didn’t established infrastructure in these areas which were occupied by her in 1947. There is no complete university,Law and medical college,and even the judiciary is not independent as it is controlled by ministry of kahsmir affairs and kahsmir council together.
am not going into the details of Northern areas because there is no political process and no fundamental rights as there is no constitution or constitutional status of the Area is defined yet how people basic rights and freedoms can invoked without the presence institutions and political system. As under the trust duties of UNCIP resolutions Pakistan was bound to ensure the rights and identity of people but it instead made attempts to divide and rule by separating Northern Areas through dubious “Karachi Agreement” in 1949 with rest of Kashmir and put that Area under the political agent of low level government employee by dismissing the revolutionary government of Gilgit Baltistan, who had no basic understanding about the political affairs. As a result of discriminatory policies political discontent in Northern Areas have resulted into the nationalist political movements. The constitutional ambiguity and continued denial of rights have prompted people to seek the legal redressal, and a case was filed in Pakistan apex court iof Pakistan in 1999 to force Pakistani authorities to grant people their basic rights unless its constitutional status is not decided. But court verdict failed to invoke any interest in Pakistan ruling elite to end the violations. However, under the growing political discontentment government of Pakistan has adopted two prong policies to sideline the genuine issues and people from demanding their constitutional rights and freedoms. It on the one hand took cosmetic steps by renaming Northern Areas Council-NAC recently with Northern Areas Legislative Council NALC to show that NALC has legislative powers since all powers are exercised and controlled by the Chairman of Council who is Pakistani minister. While on the other hand Pakistan agencies continue to foment and engineer sectarian riots between shia and Sunnis, to divide people and turn their attention on other issues than economic and political issues that surround the Area.

people of Gilgit Baltistan are facing similar difficulties at the hands of secret agencies of Pakistan.Most of the popular leadership is facing so called sedition charges,illegal confinement,harrassment, and ill treatment is a daily routine in these areas.There is no forum or court where these peopel could seek justice against discrimination and illegalkidnapping by military intelligence agencies.
Question of self rule. Self Governence is an abstract concept that refers to several scales of organizations.it may reffer to personal conduct or family units but more commonly refers to large scale of activities, i.e professions,religions and political units, up to and including autonomus regions and aboriginals peoples.it falls within the larger context of Governance and principles such as consent of governed, and may involve non-profit organizations and corporate Governance.It can be used to descirbed a people or group being able to exercise all of the necessary funcations of power without intervention from any authority which they can not themselves alter. Self rule is associated then in context where there is end of colonial rule, absolute gevernment or monarchy as well as demand for autonomy by religious,ethnic,of geographic regions which perceive themselves as being unrepresented or underrepresented in a national Government.it is therefore a fundamental tent of republican government and democracy as well as nationalism.Gandhi’s term of “Satygraha” is a branch of this self rule ideology. Generally when self governance of nations state is discussed,it is called national sovereignty.
At this occation I would like to urge opon world community,Human Rights Ornagizatuions,intellectuals and political forces across the world to favour dicvided kashmiri people in order to restore thier history,culture,poetry,arts,geography.I on behalp of Kashmiri people would like to call opon all of you that it is our utmsot desire of freedom,democracy and equality should be respected by occupying forces. We would also like to demand from the Government of pakistan to help establish news and media in its controlled part of Kashmir and in Gilgit Baltistan so that outer world could know better about the plight and misries of the people of these areas. All discriminatory laws should be abolished from the constitution and law should be made equal to every citizen of the state regardless of ones political,religios faith and no discrimination should be made on the difference of opinion.
The role of Kashmiris in strengthening the Kashmiri and briding the gap between India and Pakistan is very imminent and visible if they decide to play an active but to strengthen the pro-peace and pro-people constituency. One should be realistic that no overnight solution can be expected and process of Kashmir centric dialogue is the only way forward from the present situation. The idea of trading borders will not earn any support from any Kashmiri quarter irrespective of political views, despite the fact that some forces may not object because of respective government’s influence, but trading borders as face saving step for any government will further divide and disturb the present social and political habitat of Kahsmiri’s

Thank you very much
Jamil Maqsood
General Secretary
United Kashmir Peoples National Party Belgium

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if kashmir is part of india.ok.then please tell me what indian army doing in kashmir.

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if kashmir is part of india.ok.then please tell me what indian army doing in kashmir.

A question to Shehzad - how old are you? Your question is pretty much the same as “If the house is yours, why do you have locks on the door?” Are you mentally sub-average, Shehzad? Kashmir is and has been a part of India, and at no point was it a part of Pakistan, but for some reason, Pakistan believes it must “free” the state of Kashmir from India; just like when a thief tries to enter your home and tries to “free” your valuables from you. Pakistan is a failure as a country and sadly, one armed with a nuclear weapon and a military dictator. In response to your question, Shehzad, it is BECAUSE Kashmir is part of India, that we have our armed forces there, and the prime reason is incursion attempts by Pakistan that keep us there.

Freedom Democracy Equality
United Kashmir Peoples National Party

Brussels: Press Release

We strongly condemn another attempt of brutal control of so called Azad Kashmir administrative control by deputing eight more officers from Pakistan.people of Pakistani Occupied Kashmir and the local officers were already feeling resentment because of lent officers who are controlling most of the state authority. Now we know why military has put Muslim Conference in to power to manipulate entire political and socio economic activities of that area. According to daily Ausaf 19Th October-2006 the news described that Eight officers have been deputed with local officers just to control and supersede them in most important administrative decisions. Those trainee officers have been given the authority of a Magistrate the notification issued on 18Th October describe that

1- Shaukat Ali will be assisting Deputy Commissioner Muzaffarabad
2- Fayyaz Jatoi will also remain in the office of Deputy Commissioner Muzaffarabad
3-Khalid Nazar Wattoo office of DC Muzaffarabad
4- Raja Shah Zaman Khoro Office of DC Muzaffarabad
5- Agha Abbas Ali affiliated with the office of DC Bagh
6- Mahmood Aslam with the office of DC Bagh
7- Zia Ul Haq is attached with the office of DC Poonch ( Rawalakot)
8- Mati Ullah is also asked to join DC poonch ( Rawalakot)

This is very sad scenario of the entire situation that four districts of Pakistani Occupied Kashmir have totally devastated by the earthquake and the people were not properly looked after by the state institutions. Pakistan in the cover of relief and rehabilitation work deputed another eight officers to control remaining authority which local officials were enjoying and local people were privilaged of those officers of their own area and the state.

United Kashmir Peoples National Party would high light this issue before world community to stop Pakistan not to manipulate entire system by its officers.

Jamil Maqsood
General Secretary
United Kashmir Peoples National Party
Belgium

Lets look things from a different perspective. Not from past but from future. I am not interested, so should Kashmiris, whether Raja Hari Singh decided to stay with Pakistan or coaxed to be with India or watever.

Kashmiris should think which country will give them better results in long term. India, one of largest economies of whole world. Contributing signifcantly to every field be it Science, Literature, Art (Do you want me to pin-point recent achievements?). Growing at 8% in a democracy (not like steriodal 10% growth of China). More and more ppl now knowing secularism in practicality. This with freedom of speech.

Pakistan, forget about any growth, they cant decide what can make them grow, a military rule or democracy. Adding on to this, there liasion with every other terrorist organisation is no secret. Simple question..

THOSE PPL WHO CANT TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES, KASHMIRIS (PUNDIT OR MUSLIM), HOW THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU?

I know its a very aloof arugment from political/religious plane but its practical or atleast relevant to future.

A very interesting point there from ‘Indian’. It is safe to say, that you’re an optimist in believing that concentrating on the future is a more practical approach, and without doubt, to a certain extent it is.

I’m sure that you will agree that moving on from this issue with an outlook towards a more peaceful future, is something that requires co-operation from both countries. As far as India is concerned in this matter, we are doing nothing more than trying to keep rats out of our homes (a simple analogy you’ll agree to the concept of spineless Pakistanis trying to invade our country).

The peace process that so many rant about, is not an option until state-sponsored terrorism from Pakistan ceases to exist.

For those unaware, here is the situation in laymen’s terms - Pakistani terrorists attempt to invade Kashmir on an hourly basis with a simple plan - If the majority of “Kashmiris” are Pakistani intruders, then a vote from these “Kashmiris” would be to “FREE” Kashmir from India. Get enough of them there, and drive out the Kashmiris and you have a fully Pakistan - Occupied Kashmir.

As I said earlier, the problem is simple - it is what happens when a failed state with a military dictator gets their hands on a nuclear bomb. They have nothing to live for, except to make lives more difficult for everyone else. It would be ideal if the REAL Kashmiris could choose who they wish to belong to (if anyone at all) and then there would be no troubles. But as we have painfully learned time and time again we just cannot trust Pakistan.